Posts by Old Goat

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C.T. Russell and 1914

by Quendi in

i'm sure there are those on this board who can help me with some research questions.

they concern charles taze russell and his infatuation with 1914 and were posed to me by a member of my own small group.

we call ourselves jwa for jehovah's witnesses anonymous.

I should add some additional material. Into 1875 Barbour taught that the Gentile Times would end in 1878. He and his associates had been disappointed in 1873 and 1874. They'd expected Christ to return and take them to heaven. When they adopted invisible presence views (prompted by Benjamin W. Keith) they separated two events they believed would be simultaneous: Christ's return and the heavenly glorification (they called it Translation). Barbour believed translation would occur in 1975. He and a small group awaited translation in Brockport NY in the spring of 1875. This failure destroyed most of his chronological frame work, and he sought solutions. He quickly found an alternative fulfillment for 1875 expectations, seeing it as the start date for restitution blessings and an invisible heavenly resurrection. He shifted to Elliott's calculation as the probable end of gentile times.

None of this research is original to me. This comes from Rachael de Vienne, PhD, one of the authors of the Nelson Barbour biography. I don't think this has been published anywhere yet. It's material destined for inclusion in a revision of their book. I am impatient for their second book which discusses Russell and his associates up to 1887. I've read some rough draft chapters. It's spectacular.

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C.T. Russell and 1914

by Quendi in

i'm sure there are those on this board who can help me with some research questions.

they concern charles taze russell and his infatuation with 1914 and were posed to me by a member of my own small group.

we call ourselves jwa for jehovah's witnesses anonymous.

Old Goat

The pyramid measure was used to supplement the 606-1914 calculation. The earliest mention of "gentile times" as 2520 years appears to be in a book by an american clergyman written in the 1790s. Babour got the date from Elliott, as mentioned above. Much of this story is told in the book by Schulz and de Vienne, Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet. It's available at lulu.com

Barbour adopted the 1914 date in 1875. Russell got the date and calculation from him. Russell and Barbour calculated the times of the nations from 606 BC. The current method of calculating from 607 came to Witnesses later, but it is derived from S. D. Baldwin's Armageddon: or the overthrow of Romanism and Monarchy (1854).

Schulz and de Vienne maintain two websites, both blogs. One is public and one is by invitation only, though it is fairly easy to get access to the private blog. They had some sort of harssment issues months ago and took the main part of their work to the invitaiton only blog. The public blog is http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

The meaty research is on the private blog. A recent post about Russell's youth identified the congregational church he associated with, the minister who tried to satisfy his questions of faith and presented other information I did not know. If you're really interested in Watchtower history, that's the best source.

"Truth History"

by Old Goat in

some of you followed the truthhistory blog until it shut down due to some form of harassment.

it's back up and running, though there is only an announcement so far.

i'm glad to see them back on a public blog.

Old Goat

Some of you followed the truthhistory blog until it shut down due to some form of harassment. It's back up and running, though there is only an announcement so far. I'm glad to see them back on a public blog. The private blog is excellent.

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

Let's hope they return to the same high standard of material they used to post on this blog.

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Who wrote the May 22, 1969 Awake article "What Future for the Young"?

by VM44 in

does anyone know who wrote the may 22, 1969 awake!

article, "what future for the young?"?.

i wonder if they still are at bethel.. .

Old Goat

I remember this article. I don't know who wrote it. This is John Wischuck's style, but I really don't know. Everyone writing articles like this in the late 1960's had a more or less homogenized style. That came from the proofreading and editing process. A large number of articles were farmed out to other branches, but the writers were often American or Canadian missionaries. Unless someone told you they wrote a specific article all you were left with was a guess.

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Watchtower falsification of its history

by jwfacts in

i received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.

so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .

"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.

Old Goat

A fruedian connection to taste in women? My wife, when I married her, was a skinny scandanavian. (Now she's a plump one and all that blond hair is more gray than blond.) I don't see a connection to hot, strong, black coffee - except the strong part. She was and is strong of will and blunt with her opinions. I have scars ... (Not really)

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Watchtower falsification of its history

by jwfacts in

i received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.

so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .

"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.

Old Goat

Oh, and I don't drink ovaltine. Coffee, hot, black, strong.

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Watchtower falsification of its history

by jwfacts in

i received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.

so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .

"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.

Old Goat

Russell and One Faith: http://towerhistory.blogspot.com/ you have to request access from the blog owner. this replaced the old truthhitory blog. the owner took it private to avoid harassment. the research is stellar.

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Herbert W. Armstrong

by Band on the Run in

his stylized face keeps staring at me from an ad, asking if i want more information.

i know he ran a high control religion that had many defectors as the same time as many witnesses defected.

what was his game?.

Old Goat

Armstrong was a Church of God - General Conference cast off. The doctrine is similar to Witness doctrine. They have the same roots, though there is considerable animosity on the part of COGGC. Armstrong borrowed from Church of God Seventh Day and other small age to come sects too. He was never a witness, but he was just as nuts.

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Watchtower falsification of its history

by jwfacts in

i received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.

so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .

"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.

Old Goat

If that's supposed to be a picture of me you do need to photoshop it. He needs to be really old, with silver hair, balding on top, a bit chubby, quite tall, and maybe you should put a bit of a scowl on his face. Give him gold rimmed glasses. And that casual shirt has to go. White shirt, stripped school tie. A nice gray sweater would be nice. Give him the look that makes my students tremble. It's a no-nonsense, you're dog did not eat your homework and i know it, look.

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Watchtower falsification of its history

by jwfacts in

i received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.

so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .

"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.

Old Goat

and sizemik ... you are right about "silly." I think we have a cultural difference here. Silly is not a strong word to me but quite mild. But I should have chosen another.